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Corraidhin Farsaidh
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Posted - 2016.02.11 11:13:05 -
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Querns wrote:Actually, thinking on it -- why can citadels have a reprocessing service module at all? It isn't needed in the interim of citadels release to outpost removal, because, presumably, drilling platforms will be available.
This makes sense, citadels would be better for a research service or similar since they focus on security. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
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Posted - 2016.02.11 11:29:56 -
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A suggestion on the stront issue: Make strontium clathrates refine into strontium isotopes with a much lower volume for use in fuel. No issues rebalancing anything else that uses existing stront then. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
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Posted - 2016.02.12 18:48:32 -
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Fredric Wolf wrote:RainReaper wrote:I do have to say that being self sustaining in fuel in highsec is gonna be HARD when you need so much stront and get so little.
Having to mine more than 200 blocks of ice for a single run of fuel blocks wont be fun att all.
Maybe you can add in a tiny amount of glare crust roids into the highsec ice anomalies?
Or make a new type of ice with a bit less strontium and half the heavy water and liquid ozone of that of glare crust?
Cause lets face it its gonna be hell to get that much strontium in the highsec ice anomalies.
If you can do neither of those then you NEED to increase the amount of strontium you get from the racial ice.
Cause i refuse to sit and mine for... 3.5 hours to get a SINGLE hour worth of fuel in a citadel. And i have been looking forward to the structures for so long. please dont take this away from me guys Q~Q You could buy the stront off the market also as it would be a boost to null sec to have an advantage over high.
another boost to nullsec? wow they really must dislike hisec then. So now the hisec manufacturers who are already reliant on goods from other areas to produce at lower yields will need to have citadels, defend them fully in wars, and pay yet more into nullsec alliances to be productive.
Hisec manufacturing will slowly die if we keep going down this root. Small scale hisec manufacturers simply won't be able to use even a medium citadel depending on the cost of fuel and defence against wars. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2068
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Posted - 2016.02.12 19:36:05 -
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Obil Que wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Fredric Wolf wrote:RainReaper wrote:I do have to say that being self sustaining in fuel in highsec is gonna be HARD when you need so much stront and get so little.
Having to mine more than 200 blocks of ice for a single run of fuel blocks wont be fun att all.
Maybe you can add in a tiny amount of glare crust roids into the highsec ice anomalies?
Or make a new type of ice with a bit less strontium and half the heavy water and liquid ozone of that of glare crust?
Cause lets face it its gonna be hell to get that much strontium in the highsec ice anomalies.
If you can do neither of those then you NEED to increase the amount of strontium you get from the racial ice.
Cause i refuse to sit and mine for... 3.5 hours to get a SINGLE hour worth of fuel in a citadel. And i have been looking forward to the structures for so long. please dont take this away from me guys Q~Q You could buy the stront off the market also as it would be a boost to null sec to have an advantage over high. another boost to nullsec? wow they really must dislike hisec then. So now the hisec manufacturers who are already reliant on goods from other areas to produce at lower yields will need to have citadels, defend them fully in wars, and pay yet more into nullsec alliances to be productive. Hisec manufacturing will slowly die if we keep going down this root. Small scale hisec manufacturers simply won't be able to use even a medium citadel depending on the cost of fuel and defence against wars. Yeah, because HS today is just bereft of POSes burning fuel 24x7
POS fuel can be built entirely from goods found in hisec in reasonable amounts. The inclusion of stront into the fuel blocks at the values discussed will mean stront now has to be imported from null. Another transfer of money from hisec players to nullsec alliances. Whilst I'm not a hisec player as such now I can see how this will negatively impact those who are that are manufacturers. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2068
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Posted - 2016.02.12 19:36:55 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
another boost to nullsec? wow they really must dislike hisec then.
On the other hand, it looks like they also nerfed the **** out of the relative difference between null and high refining bonuses to the point that null only has a token advantage. I'm assuming this is what's driving the current drop in mineral prices. Hello, mineral price dip.
I think CCP Someone said they were looking to address this at some point
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2069
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:18:13 -
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Querns wrote:Albert Spear wrote:Dear Mr CCP Ytterbium -
I ice mine roughly 50% of my playing time to keep a POS running. I have not sold Stront nor do I use Stront for anything I do. I have been ice mining in High Sec for more than 2 years.
I have roughly 20,000 units of Stront on hand. Based on your current post. I can build 100 batches of Citadel fuel and then if I ice mine for another year I can make 50 more.
I guess I will not be in the market for a Medium Citadel for the next or say....20 years, and then I will have to sell it within a year.
Sorry 200 Stront per 40 blocks of fuel, when it takes roughly 220 units of ice or about 3 hours of boost ice mining to make a single batch of fuel is {sorry about what is to come} NUTS!
Sure Citadels can be used in all types of space, but only the Null Sec folks are going to be able to sustain them.
Please reconsider this requirement. Leave the fuel blocks alone and find something else to do with Stront if you must. Making fuel is already a time consuming chore - please don't make it worse! Your problem is you're trying to mine for a specific building purpose. Don't do that. Mine the most profitable thing, sell it, and buy fuel blocks.
And feed yet more profit into null where you didn't have to before...
If this is some attempt to make null sec more attractive to hisec players it won't work. This will also have a higher impact on WH players as fuel for running modules will become prohibitive. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2069
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Posted - 2016.02.14 23:51:25 -
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Querns wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
And feed yet more profit into null where you didn't have to before...
If this is some attempt to make null sec more attractive to hisec players it won't work. This will also have a higher impact on WH players as fuel for running modules will become prohibitive.
Principles are often times pretty expensive. Also, it's not like the barrier to entry to nullsec is very high. You can, for example, join Goonswarm Federation's Section 8 program, either via corporation or individually, and gain access to Pure Blind ice. We don't tax mining at all.
There needs to be balance across all areas. Why as a WH player would I have any interest in joining any nullsec alliance? I'm not interested in that gameplay, but this change will damage my gameplay by feeding yours. That is a stupid idea, pushinv people towards only having one viable area to play.
Hisec players will not move to null, WH players have no interest either. All areas and playstyles need to be viably served by the game for it to remain healthy. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2069
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Posted - 2016.02.15 10:39:56 -
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Querns wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Querns wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
And feed yet more profit into null where you didn't have to before...
If this is some attempt to make null sec more attractive to hisec players it won't work. This will also have a higher impact on WH players as fuel for running modules will become prohibitive.
Principles are often times pretty expensive. Also, it's not like the barrier to entry to nullsec is very high. You can, for example, join Goonswarm Federation's Section 8 program, either via corporation or individually, and gain access to Pure Blind ice. We don't tax mining at all. There needs to be balance across all areas. Why as a WH player would I have any interest in joining any nullsec alliance? I'm not interested in that gameplay, but this change will damage my gameplay by feeding yours. That is a stupid idea, pushinv people towards only having one viable area to play. Hisec players will not move to null, WH players have no interest either. All areas and playstyles need to be viably served by the game for it to remain healthy. If you're a wormholer, you have access to ice via shattered wormholes. No nullsec necessary; just pop on in and grub up some Krystallos. Also, strontium clathrates being more widely accessible in nullsec doesn't "push people towards nullsec." It just means that the best place to get them is nullsec. If you (and by this I mean the plural "you," the people who are reading my post) are mining stuff specifically because you need it to build fuel blocks, just stop. Mine or produce the most profitable thing instead, then sell it and purchase fuel blocks.
My point still stands that this will push more isk into nullsec from all other areas of space. Nullsec will be the only area of space where it will be possible to be self sufficient for fuel too. Both of these things will serve to push players towards nullsec with its politics etc rather than the decreasingly profitable areas of space. This is a bad idea in my mind as I believe there needs to be a reasonable balance between all areas of space and this will skew things further in nullsec's favour.
Nice subtle recruitment advert in that post a few back by the way :D |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2069
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Posted - 2016.02.15 19:33:35 -
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Querns wrote:...
I agree that the change will have far-reaching effects -- I just don't find them to be particularly severe in the current incarnation. By and large, the outrage is coming from those who believe they need to mine every last scrap of material for their POS fuel (with a small helping of those who feel they are committing a cardinal sin if they give money to The Wrong People.)
This is an arbitrary change that will effect everyone but nullsec players negatively, this seems to me to be somewhat unbalanced. I do not believe that I should mine everything I use ( I don't, I use buy orders), or that there's any such thing as The Wrong People. However if nullsec needs a shot in the arm why should it come at the expense of every other area, and if some players do see the gradual diversion of more and more ISK to nullsec as a problem why is this any less valid than your opinion on certain hisec activities being worth 'too much'?
All players pay the same sub to play the game, all players should have the same ability to earn isk in whichever area they choose whether it be from increased effort in less dangerous space or by increased risk (and less time) in lower sec space.
Applying the current suggestion for stront in ice is basically a tax on all areas of space other than null, and feeding the ISK from that tax into nullsec alliances where ice mining is relatively safe behind the blue border systems that provide practically perfect intel if used correctly.
If I remember correctly one of the stated goals with structures was that everyone who wanted one could use one. Sure that will be the case if you have a citadel running no services but what's the point in that compared to the current POS's where a dedicated and organized group in any space can fuel their shared large space asset through effort alone (mining ops and such). Now they will not be able to in hisec, and likely unable to in losec, and extremely unlikely to in WH's.
This will put hisec small groups, and probably even medium groups off having a structure and that is completely against the stated goal of making the structures accessible (for a viable use that is). |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2069
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Posted - 2016.02.15 20:57:11 -
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Querns wrote:
If all areas of space had the same isk making potential, what would be the point of leaving highsec? The game should place greater rewards on those who choose to venture into riskier space, like nullsec. This sentiment is a thinly-veiled desire for highsec to be as good or better at making money than than other spaces.
Completely wrong, I didn't say at any point that hisec should be able to make more ISK than other areas, I said that hisec players should be able to make decet ISK by putting in the effort (i.e. time). A player in lower sec space would be able to make tyhe same ISK with less effort/time due to the increased risk. A player putting in the same time in less secure space as a player making decent ISK in hisec should make correspondingly more ISK.
Querns wrote:
If you feel that nullsec is too safe, you are free to go out there and make it less so by your actions.
Surely this applies to your argument about hisec being too safe in various activities? You don't like the money that incursion runners make? Don't ask CCP to berf them, form gank fleets and mess with them yourselves etc etc
Querns wrote:
Like I've stated earlier, WH dwellers now have shattered WH connections available through which to mine ice.
Because WH players will be fine mining in frigates in space with no local and no means to readily defend the area without a relatively large fleet? As opposed to exhumers operating in relatively safe blue zones? Nope, this is a shift in income towards null disguised as a use for stront after POS changes (whether intentional or not).
Querns wrote:
And, yes, I don't see the buttressing of nullsec's ability to make money to be a problem -- it's dead last in individual isk-making potential, and is getting nerfed in the capital rebalance significantly.
Because imbalance ships are being rebalanced is not a good reason to hit every other area of space with an increased cost for no reason. I also don't buy the individual ISK making potential point either. As you point out this is a multiplayer game and on a group basis nullsec clearly has an enormous ISK making potential (which other area of space could field such huge capital fleets in cost terms?)
Querns wrote:
Also, way to misinterpret the meaning behind "everyone who wanted one could use one." That meant that you could deploy them in the individual scale, rather than needing corp roles. It didn't mean "users would be guaranteed the inviolate right to a perfect distribution of ice to mine in their home." Eve is a multiplayer game -- consider taking advantage of the multiplayer environment and participating in the market.
I already stated I use the market, and I never said that players should have a perfect distribution of ice mining. That isn't how it is now but with effort players can provide for themselves. This adds an additional cost and a new bottleneck controlled by one area of space. We all pay to play the same game yet advantages seem to be being moved to that same area of space for no good reason. A large proportion of players have no interest in that area and the continual degradation of hi, lo and WH space in favour of null will reduce their interest in the game. this can only be bad for all.
As stated I believe there needs to be a balance between all areas, this does not mean hey should be equal, but they must all be playable in an interesting manner ,but with different focus on activities in those areas. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2069
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Posted - 2016.02.16 17:30:06 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:...
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Be aware however that we will progressively increase demand on Strontium Clathrates as time passes and Starbases become less and less used to maintain its role within the economy. However that should make the change much less frustrating in the short term and allow everyone to adapt more easily while we monitor the change.
Hope that helps!
Why not just make stront refinable into stront isotopes for fuel blacks at the appropriate rate (20 stront give enough isotopes)? Then you don't need to mess with stront size, capital use of it etc etc
ED: glad you listened to players concerns though :) |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2073
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Posted - 2016.02.19 17:21:06 -
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Irregessa wrote:Killmarks for citadels. Make it so.
With a little guy in a spacesuit painting them on with a brush a la Red Dwarf... |
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